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welcome to tales from the rabbit hole

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I'm your host Nick West

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my guest today goes by the name UFO

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Jesus and the UFO Jesus is very

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interested in UFO disclosure and we're

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going to start off talking about what

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UFO disclosure actually is but first of

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all welcome to the podcast

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UFO Jesus thank you make it so it's an

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honor to be on your show I saw your one

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your show with Ian

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I saw your soul show with Nick Pope and

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I think you asked good questions and

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keep the show engaging and I think you

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have a knack for interviewing people

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that said when you refer to me

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I asked very kindly that you say UFO

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Jesus because that's the proper way to

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reference my name going huh interesting

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well that's not the way I was brought up

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but I don't know give it a go if I just

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won't refer to you at all that's fine

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that's fine no it's cool all right so

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yeah I mentioned UFOs for UFO disclosure

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now obviously like you know your your

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big topic that you're always talking

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about is UFO disclosure

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can you explain to people what UFO

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disclosure means to you okay so

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different people have different

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definitions for UFO disclosure I have my

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own definition for me UFO disclosure is

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when whether the United States

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government or another government

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releases an ample enough amount of data

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to which even the scientific community

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and and the skeptical community has no

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choice but to acknowledge that UFOs are

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are real they're under intelligent

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control and they're almost certainly not

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stemming from any military inventory in

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the world so so why don't they accept

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that now well I think they're I think

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they're analyzing the data in a way that

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is not the most objective way and that's

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why I think they don't accept it now but

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I think that eventually the the data

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will be so compelling that they'll have

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no choice but to accept it and that's

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when we will reach a post disclosure

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world it's a very succinct

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so you the first thing you mentioned was

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that UFOs are

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now this is kind of I think kind of a

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little phrasing issue as recently like

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the US Navy came out and he said that

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these three UFO videos that have been

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out there are real actual videos of an

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identified aerial phenomena and people

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took this is saying that UFOs are real

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is that what you mean by UFOs are real

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know what I mean if for example well I

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mean let's just let's go by the the UFO

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gun camera videos that they that were

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released by the US government you know

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what what if what if David flavor the

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original video he saw now I know there

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there's people who don't believe David

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flavor and that's fine maybe you're

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right but you know what it's like when

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the dealer has a five and I have an

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eleven I'm gonna double down I I think

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that David flavor was telling the truth

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when he said that he saw a higher

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resolution video that showed appendages

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coming out of the object but he also

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stated and a lot of people have lost

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sight of this in another interview he

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saw he said that when he saw the higher

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resolution video that there was an

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instance when when there was a close up

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to the tic-tac that objects were

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actually coming out of the tic-tac so

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there's two anomalous things that he

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recalls regarding the higher resolution

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video that we can't see because either

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either they they made the resolution

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lower or or it's just been recorded over

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lower so if for example the US

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government would have released the the

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version of the gun camera video that

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flavor saw or at least allegedly saw

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then it would force people to not be

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able to say well you know it's just as

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blob on the screen and it could be this

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it could be that it would force people

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to acknowledge that hey that's not a

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blob I can tell because the resolution

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is higher and now I'm forced to to look

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into this subject in a much more serious

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way so that would be real and there

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would be every indication that it is it

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is something that is not like an

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airplane or a hypersonic weapon or a

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missile it's an unknown at Rouen

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own and you have the resolution to to

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make that clear yeah that would be great

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if we could see that video but of course

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unfortunately we we we don't

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isn't familiar with these cases they

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were talking about the we see from 2004

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the Nimitz so yes November I think it

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was November 14th 2004 big can encounter

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returns and my people were I think

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people were reporting seeing these

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things off in the distance and then

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what they were seeing on the radar and

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when commander flavor got there he was

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one of the pilots of one of the Jets he

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saw this this tic-tac shaped things

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ipping around and then it shot off yes

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video of this and yeah that video is

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what you're referring to and what we see

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it kind of forgot leaked out to the

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internet somehow I mean it wasn't

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actually released by the US government

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it was actually originally leaked

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might have seen it on the ship and

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copied it on the ship so it's it's not

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clear how it got out but yeah that just

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what it is but yeah it would be great if

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we could get could get that video so do

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you think that you know obviously you

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think that the the US government has

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this video yes I do

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you think they what's the rationale for

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not releasing the videos you know I

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remember the date I think the brookings

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think tank and there might been another

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one that that were done by the US

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government I believe asking them would

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there be an advantage at all for the for

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any government in the world to to

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release data that we are being visited

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by potentially extraterrestrials and

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these think take tanks who are not

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interested in UFOs have no connection to

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like the disclosure industry if you want

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to call it that or anything like that

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they basically said look there is zero

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advantage for any government

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relay that we are being visited by

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extraterrestrials we don't know what

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their intention is we don't know whether

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they're hostile or not by the way they

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have a propensity to visit our nuclear

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nuclear-powered and so they do interact

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with with our civilization but we don't

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know where they're here for and we don't

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know what their intention is so I think

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world they don't want to open that can

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of worms up if they don't have to and

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malleability of the populace what is

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going to happen psychologically when

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when when civilization learns that not

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only are we being visited by something

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something weirder but you know I'll just

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call it I'll say extraterrestrials

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anything that's not human they don't

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know the impact that that's going to

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have upon civilization and they just

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don't want to open up that can of worms

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if any government learns how to do to

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duplicate the technology that is being

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seen whether from witnesses or from gun

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camera videos or from radar returns

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race to back engineer this technology

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that enters eros airspace all over the

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world and and to bring this out into the

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open now now you're bringing inquiry and

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you're bringing journalism into it and

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you're bringing you're bringing world

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Society into it and if and if this

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really is something that if you crack

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other nation in the world you know that

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that would be another reason that the

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United States government is is is

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trepidatious in sharing this information

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not only that I think they've known

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since the early 40s and I think with the

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Cold War yes I believe that they've

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known about these visitations do you

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around the world have known since the

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early forties no I would say that I

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very good Air Force has probably knows

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with any government that has a good Air

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objects just as dataframe intercepted

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like in the forties you feel like there

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was a whole bunch of governments who

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international conspiracy and I also go

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so far to say that that sounds

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preposterous and I totally understand

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skeptics who say oh come on there's no

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way there's no way that this could be

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covered up by many many modern nations

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but those are the facts I mean look yeah

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it's just I'm just trying to figure out

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what the timeline would be on this like

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you know if he starts out the only say

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the America and the UK and and Russia

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and may China knew about it then how did

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the other countries like what how how do

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they get into the club like say India

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now as a fairly good Air Force so surely

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India knows about it

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data data they picked him up on radar

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videos gun cameras and just data

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they discover UFOs they all decide that

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they're not going to tell anybody about

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them correct but you have to realize

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it's built into human psychology that

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they don't want to share it because I

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like I said yeah because there's okay

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Nick you know let's let me ask you what

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advantage do government's have now let

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me finish my question what advantage do

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governments have if they know we're

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being visited by an extraterrestrial

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race or races who have vehicles that may

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they're hostile

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just because you know just because I

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haven't blown up a aircraft carrier

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doesn't mean that something may not

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happen in the future and you really do

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you really want civilization to have

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mass hysteria about it what if these the

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many many instances where we're

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witnesses that worked at nuclear

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installations security guards of nuclear

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installations launched officers at

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nuclear installations I mean there is a

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hugely disproportional amount of

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sightings that have happened at nuclear

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laboratories nuclear silo installations

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plate places where they detonate these

289
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missiles that that has no parallel

290
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that's a fact

291
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now you we can debate all day long

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whether it's hallucinations or or

293
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they're there they're lying or whatever

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but there isn't good luck making an

295
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argument that there's just as many UFO

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sightings that car factories and candy

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factories and and this play that there's

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no correlation and so putting that all

299
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into one place

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what is the advantage for any government

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in the world to tell civilization that

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we're being visited but we don't know

303
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what they're what they're here for to

304
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think of one advantage was that

305
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government would get to be first they

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get to the people who reveal to the

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world they get to be the birth the

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government they tells anybody like if

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it's country like I don't know Japan say

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or or even China they get to tell

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everybody and you know they would

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actually get to tell them that everybody

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else has been covering it up because

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you've kind of got all these things all

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these separate governments now and

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they're all covering up aliens in their

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own way and I guess they're not really

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cooperating you don't think there's any

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there's a worldwide conspiracy to do

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this I wouldn't really I don't know I

321
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don't know if they're cooperating but I

322
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just don't think they want to bring that

323
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information into the public discourse so

324
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what would be the disadvantage can you

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think of any disadvantages so obviously

326
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you're right so like if China was the

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first nation to do it they would have a

328
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legacy like no other legacy and they

329
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could that would really that probably

330
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harm the interests of the United States

331
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but can you think of any downside for

332
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say China or Russia disclosing he died I

333
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I don't I mean people talk about like

334
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that being mass panic and things like

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that

336
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but I mean what they're really because

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must be little things that UFOs are real

338
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I don't think so but I think governments

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tend to be paranoid too and they come up

340
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with all these possibilities that might

341
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happen are they likely to happen who

342
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knows but I think they tend to be

343
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paranoid and look look I mean I

344
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understand I look I would not believe in

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UFOs if the evidence wasn't there and I

346
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believe the evidence is there let's look

347
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at David flavor when the intercept

348
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happened in 2004 David forever had 16

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years of experience as a pilot he's a

350
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Top Gun graduate at the time of the

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intercept yet 3600 flight hours he he at

352
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the before the intercept he went to the

353
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Persian Gulf five times he's flown over

354
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Africa he's flown over Iraq and and so

355
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he's seen foreign planes he's seen

356
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domestic planes because when when you're

357
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not in a shooting war one of the things

358
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you do as a pilot for the Navy is you

359
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you intercept planes coming towards the

360
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battle area and tell them to go the

361
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other way at the time and intercept

362
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there were it wasn't just him that saw

363
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it it was for aviators that saw it

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according to freighter was over five

365
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minutes that he saw it it was caught on

366
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radar on the USS Nimitz on the USS

367
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Princeton which is an Aegis class

368
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cruiser and on the e-2 Hawkeye so we

369
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have three separate radars and and all

370
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the radar operators say that that all

371
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these these tracks came up on their

372
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systems and some people say well how do

373
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you know how do you know that the wood

374
00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:54,370
it wasn't a glitch well let me ask you

375
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this if it was a glitch how did they

376
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tell favor to go to a precise place a

377
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vector right and it was only when merged

378
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plot which is when which was when

379
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flavors plane and and the contact are so

380
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close together that the radar operators

381
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cannot distinguish between the two it

382
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was only at that point in time that

383
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flavor and the three other aviators saw

384
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the object so if it was a glitch in the

385
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radar how how did that coincidence it's

386
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a good question but I think the answer

387
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probably is that that's the point at

388
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which he started looking for the object

389
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because he would have been looking like

390
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down to the ocean like if it was

391
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he was start looking for something and

392
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because he had this this heightened

393
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sense of like actually expecting

394
00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:41,670
something to be there we did see

395
00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:43,710
something where no matter what it was

396
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it's hard to tell if it was the same

397
00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:46,050
thing

398
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problem is it's very difficult to tell

399
00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:53,220
like with these things because we're

400
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really relying very very much so on

401
00:15:59,930 --> 00:15:56,700
these these eyewitness accounts and

402
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:59,940
there are it was a long time ago 2004 so

403
00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:01,440
memories have changed and there's

404
00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:03,330
already is there's discrepancies in the

405
00:16:08,630 --> 00:16:05,850
accounts like that of the female pilot

406
00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:08,640
in the idea upper plane she remembers

407
00:16:14,660 --> 00:16:11,850
like for example the dispatcher being

408
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:14,670
female when the other people say that

409
00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:17,970
the dispatcher was male so there's a

410
00:16:21,650 --> 00:16:19,350
small difference well as the people

411
00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:21,660
don't know I'm saying memories I'll take

412
00:16:25,190 --> 00:16:22,890
your word for that but I will say this

413
00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:25,200
there's always discrepancies right it's

414
00:16:30,140 --> 00:16:27,300
fine any historical event that's true

415
00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:30,150
and that's corroborated and that the

416
00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:32,100
consensus agrees occurred you're always

417
00:16:38,270 --> 00:16:34,500
going to find discrepancies so I

418
00:16:39,980 --> 00:16:38,280
wouldn't use discrepancies as as a way

419
00:16:42,170 --> 00:16:39,990
of discrediting the story because

420
00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:42,180
discrepancies are always present in no

421
00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:44,550
matter what what and you're dealing with

422
00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:47,130
a story that includes tens of people

423
00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:49,320
maybe hundreds of people of course

424
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:50,910
there's gonna be discrepancies but

425
00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:52,800
there's not enough discrepancies or

426
00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:54,930
severe enough discrepancies to discredit

427
00:16:58,190 --> 00:16:57,060
the story so I went I I don't think that

428
00:17:00,740 --> 00:16:58,200
would be a really prudent way to

429
00:17:02,810 --> 00:17:00,750
interpret the limits case oh there's a

430
00:17:04,670 --> 00:17:02,820
discrepancy therefore I can just doubt

431
00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:04,680
the entire thing well how do you know

432
00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:06,569
which which it was a discrepancy and

433
00:17:09,980 --> 00:17:08,130
what's actually at the reality have you

434
00:17:12,380 --> 00:17:09,990
afraid of saying you saw this this thing

435
00:17:13,970 --> 00:17:12,390
like zips up being around the radar says

436
00:17:17,780 --> 00:17:13,980
that this thing like you know went up

437
00:17:20,059 --> 00:17:17,790
and down that's a discrepancy well well

438
00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:20,069
do we know when the radar operator saw

439
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:23,370
go up and down because we only have

440
00:17:28,970 --> 00:17:24,930
reports that I'm talking about it going

441
00:17:30,110 --> 00:17:28,980
up and down we don't have reported but

442
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:30,120
they've been tracking these for days

443
00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:32,610
prior to framers intercept so when when

444
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:34,290
you see a little soundbite of a radar

445
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:36,570
operator operator saying it went from

446
00:17:41,090 --> 00:17:38,240
eighty thousand feet to send it down to

447
00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:41,100
28,000 feet sent down to fifty feet or

448
00:17:45,290 --> 00:17:43,290
whatever they whatever the exact quote

449
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,300
would be when they when you hear that

450
00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:47,280
sound bite that doesn't necessarily mean

451
00:17:58,910 --> 00:17:47,730
the

452
00:18:01,790 --> 00:17:58,920
general that encompasses days and days

453
00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:01,800
like I said the intercept happened days

454
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:04,110
and days after the radar operators or

455
00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:05,970
saw the tic-tac and the flight

456
00:18:09,230 --> 00:18:07,920
characteristics of the tic-tac they are

457
00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:09,240
very different things though I mean

458
00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:10,830
Framus talking about it doing these

459
00:18:14,290 --> 00:18:12,420
rapid movements and then he's talking

460
00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:14,300
about it doing this very very fast

461
00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:16,470
horizontal movement where's the radar

462
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:17,820
operators the only talk about it like

463
00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:19,410
appearing at one point and then well

464
00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:20,700
they did looking good they did say that

465
00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:23,400
they showed up on it on the at his cap

466
00:18:29,090 --> 00:18:26,760
point very quickly so that wouldn't show

467
00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:29,100
it going there they never should talk

468
00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:30,930
about it actually moving horizontally it

469
00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:32,220
just kind of seems to appear a little

470
00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:38,580
point here and there but you didn't see

471
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:40,050
the radar returns I mean if you were if

472
00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:41,610
you were to qualify that and talk to

473
00:18:47,780 --> 00:18:45,000
like Kevin Kevin day did you did you

474
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:47,790
actually see the object move at a fast

475
00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:48,090
pace

476
00:18:52,460 --> 00:18:50,340
when they rigid or or were you just

477
00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:52,470
talking in generalities did actually ask

478
00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:55,110
Kevin day about that and he said he

479
00:19:00,520 --> 00:18:58,170
couldn't remember it moving well they

480
00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:00,530
really well there you go

481
00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:02,760
so that means we've got all these these

482
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:04,350
things this we've got three things here

483
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:06,570
we've got like the video we've got the

484
00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:08,850
testimony of flavor and the female pilot

485
00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:11,790
and then we've got the testimony of the

486
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:13,980
people who remember seeing radar and I

487
00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:15,090
guess we've got testimony of people who

488
00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:16,590
remember seeing the video as well which

489
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:18,630
is kind of a different thing but you

490
00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:20,330
know basically three things video

491
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:22,590
eyewitness and radar are things and

492
00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:23,610
they're all showing different things

493
00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:25,380
though the radar showing up and down and

494
00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:28,920
near teleporting essentially the video

495
00:19:32,030 --> 00:19:30,300
is showing something that doesn't really

496
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,040
move and just seems to recede into the

497
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:34,400
distance and freitas showing these

498
00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:36,450
talking about things that first of all

499
00:19:39,860 --> 00:19:38,370
like your zip around and then then

500
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:39,870
vanish off to the side or from the

501
00:19:45,050 --> 00:19:42,900
punish off it to the right well well

502
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:45,060
framers said there and so did his sort

503
00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:46,890
of the other other aviators with him say

504
00:19:51,170 --> 00:19:48,780
that the encounter lasted for over five

505
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:51,180
minutes the video is actually only what

506
00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:54,240
30 seconds so obviously the video isn't

507
00:19:58,700 --> 00:19:56,130
off the encounter that's true that's

508
00:20:00,440 --> 00:19:58,710
true but but what okay you're right so

509
00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:00,450
let me rephrase what I'm trying to say

510
00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:01,440
is

511
00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:04,830
object can move differently according to

512
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:07,470
what it's doing at at the current time

513
00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:09,690
so maybe when framers thought it was it

514
00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:12,360
was actually way and then when when Chad

515
00:20:16,610 --> 00:20:13,950
Underwood intercepted it it was acting

516
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:16,620
another way I mean that's not that's not

517
00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:18,360
even implausible if the object is

518
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:20,100
capable of doing all kinds of maneuvers

519
00:20:26,899 --> 00:20:23,340
why would we assume that the behavior is

520
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:26,909
it it demonstrated during the intercept

521
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,850
with flavor would be completely in

522
00:20:38,269 --> 00:20:31,919
equivalence with when Chad Underwood

523
00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:38,279
interest but you'd kind of just to give

524
00:20:41,389 --> 00:20:39,750
more weight to the evidence it would be

525
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,399
a lot more convincing if it was doing

526
00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:43,200
the same thing in all three things like

527
00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:44,460
if we actually store it to do something

528
00:20:49,369 --> 00:20:46,740
wrap it in the video and if it was

529
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:49,379
actually we if we had radar tracks of in

530
00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:51,450
moving rapidly horizontally but you know

531
00:20:55,129 --> 00:20:53,460
we don't so we have to assume that

532
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:55,139
instead of it being the same thing doing

533
00:20:58,249 --> 00:20:56,490
the same thing it's the same object

534
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:58,259
doing three different things which is a

535
00:21:03,259 --> 00:21:00,840
less convincing but even with the

536
00:21:05,570 --> 00:21:03,269
intercept of flavor the object did not

537
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:05,580
always go at hypersonic speed if you

538
00:21:11,509 --> 00:21:09,090
hear a story uh basically flavor and in

539
00:21:14,299 --> 00:21:11,519
the wingman see it the wingman stays

540
00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:14,309
high flavor descends and does like I

541
00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:15,929
believe maybe I get some of this awful

542
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:16,529
to do the best I can

543
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:18,210
he basically circles down very

544
00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:20,220
cautiously towards the object to get

545
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:22,289
closer to it so the wingman is not only

546
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:24,450
eight thousand feet above flavor but is

547
00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:26,039
that a different angle which only lis

548
00:21:29,269 --> 00:21:27,720
lends credibility to the fact that they

549
00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:29,279
actually saw what they said they saw and

550
00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:32,460
say since the testimony is equivalent

551
00:21:36,049 --> 00:21:33,929
and unanimous amongst all four of them

552
00:21:37,879 --> 00:21:36,059
and two pilots all from one angle two

553
00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:37,889
pilots all from another angle and then

554
00:21:41,529 --> 00:21:40,169
the tic-tac started marrying mirroring

555
00:21:44,779 --> 00:21:41,539
if I could say that word correctly

556
00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:44,789
affray ver hmm and so while the tic-tac

557
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,919
was mirroring fray ver it wasn't going

558
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:49,679
fast it was just going at the same speed

559
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:52,129
as a tic-tac so here is an incident

560
00:21:57,259 --> 00:21:54,809
according to his witness testimony in

561
00:21:59,240 --> 00:21:57,269
which the object is not moving at

562
00:22:01,369 --> 00:21:59,250
hypersonic speeds and it's just doing

563
00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:01,379
exactly what an f-18 could do so I don't

564
00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:04,289
see any discrepancy here when when when

565
00:22:09,019 --> 00:22:06,179
the the video that Chad Underwood got

566
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,029
the plane was just moving at a regular

567
00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:10,799
or not the plane the odd the tic-tac was

568
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,990
just moving at a regular speed a rate of

569
00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:15,120
speed comparable to plane

570
00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:18,030
as flavors testimony is in which when

571
00:22:23,299 --> 00:22:20,039
when Eve when the tic-tac was mirroring

572
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:23,309
flavor it was going at flavor speed so

573
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,980
that that that emphasizes that the

574
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:27,600
tic-tac according to the witness

575
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:29,370
testimony is capable of moving

576
00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:31,620
erratically moving at hypersonic speeds

577
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:33,419
or beyond hypersonic speeds and just

578
00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:35,370
doing what f-18s do so I don't see any

579
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,870
discrepancy there whatsoever

580
00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:38,880
I'm sure but it's just a shame that we

581
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:39,990
don't actually have a correlation

582
00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:43,620
between multiple data sources I think

583
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:45,750
you could argue against the the top

584
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:48,450
cover pilot is another data source and

585
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:52,740
that she gave an account of it but you

586
00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:54,120
know I have to say I bus I must kind of

587
00:23:00,140 --> 00:22:57,510
question her her state of mind which

588
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:00,150
sounds a bit you know like I'm attacking

589
00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:02,340
the person but yeah if you read her

590
00:23:07,399 --> 00:23:05,640
account it's very dramatic and that she

591
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,409
talks about how first of all she thought

592
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:09,120
it was drug runners and then she thought

593
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,710
it was some kind of like 911 situation

594
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,600
where she was going to have to use her

595
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:17,460
plane as a weapon so she's essentially

596
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:18,840
thinking that she's going on some kind

597
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:22,200
of suicide mission to RAM some play out

598
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,360
of the air and then like literally three

599
00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:26,159
seconds later she thinks that it's some

600
00:23:29,899 --> 00:23:27,780
kind of search-and-rescue thing because

601
00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:29,909
there's a crashed plane in the ground

602
00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:33,480
and then she starts seeing this this

603
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,230
this is object so it seems like you know

604
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:39,120
it could be that the sub loss of

605
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:42,330
situational awareness there on her parts

606
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:44,250
and you possibly on Freight as part as

607
00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:47,610
well that is possible I'd not I'm not

608
00:23:51,549 --> 00:23:49,080
persuaded by it but I want to ask you a

609
00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:51,559
question make two questions to be exact

610
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:54,419
number one what is your best hypothesis

611
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:56,820
on what the tic-tac or what the object

612
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,480
was that flavor is his wso and the and

613
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:02,400
the two other aviators that saw the

614
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:05,490
object was and number two what are the

615
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:07,890
odds you know you could say what are the

616
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:10,740
odds that that this is coming from an

617
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:13,919
extraterrestrial source would you say is

618
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,049
there a one would you say there's at

619
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,960
least a 1% chance or or is it less that

620
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,679
this is coming from the

621
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:21,299
extra-terrestrial source those two

622
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:23,010
versus year now Esther I think it's

623
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:24,360
pretty hard to give odds so I'm just

624
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,850
gonna start out with that one and say

625
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:27,600
you know I couldn't

626
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:29,400
really say like one-in-a-million maybe

627
00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:31,410
because it seems such like an unlikely

628
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:35,309
thing to happen but like my best guess

629
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:39,270
as to what he saw it's it's is very hard

630
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,400
to say like I I think he might have saw

631
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,440
seen multiple things like he might have

632
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,360
seen like you know he's thinks he's

633
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:47,520
seeing a white object so you know white

634
00:24:51,020 --> 00:24:49,380
objects pretty feet pitiless so like you

635
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:51,030
know any any white object in the

636
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,710
distance looks you know the same as as

637
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:54,000
another white object of his moving

638
00:24:58,419 --> 00:24:55,470
slowly especially if it's like really

639
00:25:01,640 --> 00:24:58,429
far away and it's difficult to make out

640
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:01,650
so he might have been confusing multiple

641
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:04,020
objects like he starts out seeing this

642
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,210
disturbing disturbance in the ocean like

643
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,520
this like a like you know what fish

644
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,080
feeding or something like that like a

645
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,720
big kind of bubbling so he could have

646
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:14,880
been looking down and perhaps I don't

647
00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:16,500
know like he just saw something that was

648
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,020
floating in the water

649
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,159
perhaps that later on that he saw

650
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:22,799
something like a reflection in the

651
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:25,289
canopy you see actually you actually see

652
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:27,000
tic-tacs shaped to reflections in the

653
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,110
canopies the you know the chemically

654
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:30,659
that goes over the pilots head because

655
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:32,370
of this there's some circular things

656
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:34,110
within the cockpit and when the Sun hits

657
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:35,220
them just right you get these

658
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:36,900
reflections which occurred kind of

659
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:40,500
shapes you know like this and you know

660
00:25:44,659 --> 00:25:42,510
and I hate to bring it up but there

661
00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:44,669
would have been seagulls there if you're

662
00:25:49,450 --> 00:25:46,950
looking down and if this is very very

663
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:49,460
large bird or something circling around

664
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,950
yes you can actually see a seagull and

665
00:25:56,899 --> 00:25:55,320
it's a possibility I know people mock me

666
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:56,909
might be possibility but we're talking

667
00:25:59,779 --> 00:25:58,200
about what freighter saw we're not

668
00:26:02,270 --> 00:25:59,789
talking about things on the video and

669
00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:02,280
I'm talking it I don't think he would

670
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:04,830
have just seen one seagull and then

671
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:06,450
mistaken that for this whole thing I

672
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:08,520
think they you know some point you think

673
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:11,130
pilots they can't they wouldn't have

674
00:26:18,020 --> 00:26:15,900
eyes on something for five minutes like

675
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:18,030
you know pilots pilots have to actually

676
00:26:20,899 --> 00:26:19,799
do like instruments cams all the time so

677
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:20,909
they can't actually keep looking at

678
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:22,650
something for solidly for five minutes

679
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:24,990
so there'd be like some points where

680
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:26,130
he's doing this thing where he's coming

681
00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:28,200
down so we first Cesar it's like and

682
00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:30,020
then when he thinks that it's use away

683
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:32,190
and you know I think it could have been

684
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:35,490
a combination of things or it could be

685
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:40,080
some kind of craft yeah well I mean and

686
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:40,650
you know

687
00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:43,170
i-i-i think what you think is extremely

688
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:44,790
unlikely but you know what I mean I

689
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:46,890
think you're to being totally honest and

690
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:49,410
you're giving your best objective

691
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,330
assessment so I don't fault you for it

692
00:26:57,410 --> 00:26:53,880
but you know it being a reflection or

693
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,420
something far away just I mean he's in

694
00:27:02,330 --> 00:26:59,580
an f-18 Hornet they can go like 1,100

695
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:02,340
miles an hour yeah you can put on his

696
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,809
afterburners and be from point A to

697
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:06,059
point B rather quickly

698
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,130
he saw it wasn't like something fleeting

699
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:10,320
he saw it for over five minutes so he

700
00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:13,010
has this whole story wrapped around it

701
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:15,270
you know if you were if you were to look

702
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:19,050
for a premium observer like if you were

703
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:20,730
to scour the earth looking for the best

704
00:27:25,030 --> 00:27:23,280
possible observer you could find flavor

705
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:25,040
would probably be at the top of the list

706
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:28,020
man we have to test him I mean has

707
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,820
anybody actually tested the quality of

708
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:31,860
observation of course you'd expect him

709
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:34,290
to be a very good observer but now you

710
00:27:38,860 --> 00:27:35,640
know he's retired from the Air Force

711
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:38,870
years ago but our private sector Lee

712
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:41,610
okay but all four aviators are unanimous

713
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,490
at what they saw so your explanation

714
00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:47,520
your explanation has to fit the the

715
00:27:51,770 --> 00:27:50,190
witness testimony of not just favor but

716
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:51,780
NASA also fit the witness testimony of

717
00:27:56,270 --> 00:27:54,450
favors wso has to fit the witness

718
00:27:57,770 --> 00:27:56,280
testimony of the two other aviators as

719
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:57,780
well and I'm just gonna say right now

720
00:28:01,100 --> 00:27:59,610
like you know to the audience like if

721
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:01,110
you really think it's plot you really

722
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:04,290
think flavor and is all for aviators for

723
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:07,080
over five minutes flavor said he merited

724
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:09,960
flavor said that it noticed him and the

725
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:12,570
nose turned up and started going in

726
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:13,980
flavors direction there's all these

727
00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:17,520
little details but yet this can all be

728
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,030
boiled down to some some tiny object far

729
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:23,100
in the distance I mean I just don't see

730
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,110
I just can maybe pilot

731
00:28:31,220 --> 00:28:28,020
having this long very detailed very

732
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:31,230
unambiguous story and actually engaging

733
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:33,720
the object with one of the most premium

734
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:36,360
fighter jets in the world that can

735
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:39,330
travel very very quickly and yet this is

736
00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:40,860
it's just it's just some it's a

737
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,870
reflection it's a glare it's a little

738
00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:44,940
object he was just disoriented what am i

739
00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:46,830
seeing there's there's there's a little

740
00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:48,990
there's a little tiny drone three miles

741
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:51,270
away but I'm pretending or I'm imagining

742
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:53,490
that I'm engaging it and it's this

743
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:54,210
little drone is

744
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:56,250
marrying me but it's really just a drone

745
00:29:00,530 --> 00:28:58,500
but I think it's marrying me marry me

746
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:00,540
but then the other two aviators are

747
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:02,610
seeing the same thing but it's a little

748
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:04,200
Sasson off in the distance and then he

749
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:05,970
sees a reflection and I mean I just it's

750
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:10,410
it's like let's just just no yeah go

751
00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:12,330
ahead if I can see a point I can see a

752
00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:13,800
point in it it is it is quite a

753
00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:15,750
compelling story now I would really love

754
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:18,900
to figure out what it was but I think I

755
00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:19,890
don't think we can eliminate

756
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,660
possibilities like you you say

757
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,880
absolutely no way that touch means I

758
00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:25,740
think that you put it on you put it in a

759
00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:27,900
low on your list of possibilities I'll

760
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,400
tell you I'll tell you I'll tell you my

761
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,620
position I don't have a problem with

762
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,380
skeptics not believing the tic-tac is if

763
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:35,760
they believe the tic-tac this is a 747

764
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:38,250
or a 737 or a drone I have no problem

765
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:38,490
with that

766
00:29:43,790 --> 00:29:40,790
that's not my problem my problem is

767
00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:43,800
skeptical orthodoxy which I think you

768
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:46,460
fall under the umbrella of which is

769
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:49,290
which is being have being so certain

770
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:52,260
that it must not be something anomalous

771
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:54,690
it has to be something prosaic so if you

772
00:29:58,580 --> 00:29:55,470
were to tell me

773
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:58,590
UFO Jesus I think there's a 1% chance it

774
00:30:02,300 --> 00:29:59,880
was extraterrestrial I'll be like I'm

775
00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:02,310
good with that but you go well beyond

776
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:04,920
that even in the midst of all the

777
00:30:09,650 --> 00:30:07,770
witness testimony of four aviators even

778
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,660
in the midst of david framer saying he

779
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:11,520
saw a more higher resolution video where

780
00:30:16,670 --> 00:30:14,340
appendages were coming out I mean it's

781
00:30:18,890 --> 00:30:16,680
just it's just basically I think what's

782
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:18,900
happening here is you you are you you

783
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:21,260
are convinced that the odds are just

784
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,880
exponentially low that it's

785
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:25,440
extraterrestrial and therefore you

786
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:27,030
interpret everything through that lens

787
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:28,920
but I this is my question for you Mick

788
00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:31,590
do you know enough about the universe to

789
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:33,780
actually be able to ascertain what the

790
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:35,850
odds are of whether it was of

791
00:30:39,530 --> 00:30:38,010
extraterrestrial origin or not you

792
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,540
already can't like put odds on things

793
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:42,120
like that because you know there's so

794
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:43,320
many variables that we don't actually

795
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:44,940
know I can assure you you're familiar

796
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,890
with stuff like the Drake Equation and

797
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:48,600
the Fermi paradox and things like that

798
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,520
things that you talk about what are the

799
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:52,080
probabilities or there being intelligent

800
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:53,940
life in the universe but it tells you

801
00:30:58,220 --> 00:30:55,350
nothing about what the probability of

802
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:58,230
intelligent life actually visiting right

803
00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:00,600
exactly so we don't yeah so no no you

804
00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:02,670
don't know so you're not justified to be

805
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:04,950
so certain that it's not

806
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:07,530
extraterrestrial but we do

807
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:09,810
data in the witness testimony and I'll

808
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:11,940
say this to the scientists out there and

809
00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:14,850
to the skeptics out there this is what I

810
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:16,680
would ask of you to do him and myself by

811
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:18,690
the way is to petition the United States

812
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:20,850
government to give over the data to give

813
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:22,440
over that because look if the data is

814
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,840
not there fine but but I think there's

815
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,640
been enough corroboration and enough

816
00:31:32,110 --> 00:31:28,470
people have come forward

817
00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:32,120
top gun pilots top gun radar operators

818
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:35,790
that that I think it justifies not just

819
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:38,130
taking not just taking what the

820
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:39,720
government gives us and leaving it there

821
00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:43,890
I think what is taking place currently

822
00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:45,990
and the escalation in this subject has

823
00:31:49,670 --> 00:31:48,060
justified that maybe all of us should

824
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:49,680
just demand the US government to give us

825
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:52,170
more data and they could say no but at

826
00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:53,490
least ask for it I think that would be a

827
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:55,920
very a very constructive thing for

828
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,930
everyone to do I would be happy I'm a

829
00:32:03,050 --> 00:31:59,700
big fan of open government so I'd like

830
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:03,060
to do that there we go you know

831
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:05,130
obviously like you know you laugh at me

832
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:07,530
suggesting the flavor could be mistaken

833
00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:09,810
and his thing but I think not last I'm

834
00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:13,350
not laughing you like I think you're in

835
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,430
your own like that's what you believe

836
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:16,080
and now I'm saying what I believe so

837
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:17,850
maybe maybe I'm wrong I'm not saying I'm

838
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:19,470
it's possible I'm not wrong I'm just

839
00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:20,610
calling it the way I see it and I think

840
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:22,830
your interpretation of the data is

841
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:24,840
hilarious but who knows maybe you're

842
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,090
right a few of the reasons why it's

843
00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:29,880
Piercy terrorists everyone oh Jesus what

844
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:30,300
do I know

845
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:32,850
no no nothing I saw but it was a couple

846
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:34,980
of points I want to bring up about that

847
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:37,620
like why I think that well one of which

848
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:41,610
is that you know it happened in 2004 why

849
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:44,490
didn't Frei bruh ever draw a diagram of

850
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:48,810
what he saw I don't know why does why

851
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:50,820
does why is that so like an OGG diagram

852
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,110
like right after it took place you mean

853
00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:55,440
know at any time he's never to my

854
00:32:58,820 --> 00:32:57,300
knowledge drawn a diagram of what he saw

855
00:33:00,440 --> 00:32:58,830
like he can say like you know I was here

856
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:00,450
and it did this it does it gives a

857
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,370
verbal description now if we have little

858
00:33:05,780 --> 00:33:04,080
diagrams we could actually start to try

859
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:05,790
to correlate all the different

860
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:09,600
recollections like we've got the female

861
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:12,600
pilot at the top and we've got flavor

862
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:16,080
down below she says some things now in

863
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,970
her report that she went with her

864
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:20,480
interview with Elizondo

865
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:24,000
she actually says in the report that she

866
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:27,750
drew a diagram about encounter where is

867
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:29,430
that diagram why didn't they show that

868
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:32,070
diagram if we want to try to correlate

869
00:33:36,050 --> 00:33:34,230
eyewitness recollections half of all

870
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:36,060
draw diagrams of what they saw and see

871
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:38,910
if what they recall happening actually

872
00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:41,610
matches Frey has just told this story

873
00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:43,190
over and over again

874
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:46,590
why can't he actually describe what he

875
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:48,090
saw from his point of view where was it

876
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:50,790
exactly in the cockpit yeah what are you

877
00:33:53,150 --> 00:33:51,630
looking down

878
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,160
we don't know like you know how do you

879
00:33:58,550 --> 00:33:55,200
actually see something if it's just this

880
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:58,560
30 foot wide thing and you're above this

881
00:34:03,530 --> 00:34:01,140
this you know boiling water or whatever

882
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:03,540
it doesn't really seem to make sense as

883
00:34:09,410 --> 00:34:06,840
to how he could actually see it he and

884
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:09,420
that the female power describes it

885
00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:12,060
zipping across the the area of

886
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:13,620
disturbance but that doesn't really make

887
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:14,910
sense either when you actually kind of

888
00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:16,500
figure out where she is she's about like

889
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:18,270
you know 20,000 feet or something and

890
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:20,550
then this is supposedly at 5,000 feet

891
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:22,440
and it's moving over an area that she

892
00:34:26,390 --> 00:34:24,330
described as being about I think near

893
00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:26,400
100 feet and it was only 30 feet wide so

894
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:28,950
it would yeah its zipping over this area

895
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:30,450
wouldn't really make sense but if you

896
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:31,800
could actually have these people draw

897
00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:34,230
diagrams of these things we could try to

898
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:39,350
see you know what what's the actual 3d

899
00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:41,910
reconstruction of this now you know that

900
00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:43,140
people are trying to do this we have

901
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:44,880
three new constructions I think is Dave

902
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:48,990
Dave Beatty yeah did one and the nimitz

903
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:50,820
encounters on youtube check it out yeah

904
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,290
but didn't like flavor call it like a

905
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:53,760
cartoon and say it should have been

906
00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:57,990
taken down he did so I mean like what

907
00:35:03,830 --> 00:35:01,230
what was wrong with it what actually was

908
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:03,840
the 3d position of everything in his

909
00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:05,910
thing and why can't it be reconstructed

910
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:09,270
from what he said his his description

911
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:11,250
actually a good description of what

912
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:12,750
happened and you know what's the

913
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:13,320
difference

914
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:16,380
so observers well I mean I don't think

915
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:18,510
that compromises the likelihood is

916
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,800
telling the truth but on the other hand

917
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:21,300
yes it would be like it would be helpful

918
00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:24,510
if he drew dhak dhak diagram of it I

919
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,360
agree with that yeah but if everybody

920
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:29,520
everybody gives different diagrams with

921
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:31,100
that change your opinion

922
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:35,890
you mean like all the Aviators yeah uh

923
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:38,390
if there if there was a consistency

924
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:40,190
between them no if they're a completely

925
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:42,290
different yes I mean because I would

926
00:35:47,470 --> 00:35:45,170
imagine that the diagrams would would

927
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:47,480
just be a representation of what they

928
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:50,750
said took place I don't see why they

929
00:35:55,450 --> 00:35:54,110
would be so so different from what

930
00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:55,460
they've already stated on the record

931
00:35:58,930 --> 00:35:57,380
yeah so my hypothesis would obviously

932
00:36:00,430 --> 00:35:58,940
would be that they did it will kind of

933
00:36:01,870 --> 00:36:00,440
see different things cuz they were all

934
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:01,880
looking out and there's lots of white

935
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:04,250
things in the air like obviously like we

936
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:05,930
laugh about seagulls because like

937
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:07,450
there's these memes of our seagulls

938
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:10,850
being UFOs and hit weather balloons

939
00:36:16,570 --> 00:36:14,390
obviously but you know there are white

940
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,580
things and so it's you describing

941
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:18,800
something as like a white tic-tac shaped

942
00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:20,750
thing kind of kind of encompass a whole

943
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:24,620
bunch of possibilities so yeah I really

944
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,450
would like to actually talk to the

945
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,640
various people I actually emailed the

946
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:31,520
the female pilot asking her to to talk

947
00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:34,370
to me but she never responded and I

948
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:35,960
haven't email forever but I don't have

949
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:37,370
his email yes but I'm it's an open

950
00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:39,740
invitation to anybody any of the four

951
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:41,390
people who actually saw this this

952
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:45,170
encounter or close to like when we work

953
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:48,110
and try to figure out if everybody saw

954
00:36:51,850 --> 00:36:49,850
the same thing and what was the actual

955
00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:51,860
3d path of this object based on your

956
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:53,750
recollection what was wrong with with

957
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:56,330
Dave's Dave's reconstruction so that

958
00:36:58,180 --> 00:36:57,530
wouldn't it would be a good good thing

959
00:37:01,780 --> 00:36:58,190
to do

960
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:01,790
yeah and I'm not I I did put the UFO

961
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:05,030
hypothesis very low yeah partly because

962
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,200
I think the description of it that we're

963
00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:10,400
talking about here is that it has this

964
00:37:17,170 --> 00:37:13,670
hypersonic velocity component like it

965
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,180
it's it moves from whatever 28,000 feet

966
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:20,000
to 50 feet in 500 feet in like you know

967
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:22,250
at 0.15 seconds or something like it's

968
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:24,920
something ridiculous is a second yeah do

969
00:37:29,890 --> 00:37:28,250
a hundred G's basically and I think like

970
00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:29,900
if if that type of type of thing

971
00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:32,840
actually existed it would be well for a

972
00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:33,980
start it would have given a much bigger

973
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:35,480
bang when it actually happened it would

974
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:37,460
have been incredibly loud things are

975
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:38,630
happen unless you have some kind of

976
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,770
magic way of dealing with that which of

977
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:44,000
course you know who knows but

978
00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:44,970
essentially these are appeal

979
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:46,830
mr. magic which is kind of like a a

980
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,160
thing goes skeptics don't like in the

981
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,500
but I would decide no I think it's I

982
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:54,720
think I think that the well first of all

983
00:38:02,300 --> 00:37:59,460
so so the universe is colors universe I

984
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:02,310
just got I'm drawing its 16 billion I

985
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:04,530
think okay 16 billion years old earth is

986
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,160
four-and-a-half billion years old so so

987
00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:10,680
if they're in there's let's say there's

988
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:12,750
I think two to four hundred million

989
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:15,300
stars in the Milky Way there's an

990
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:16,859
estimated 100 billion planets in the

991
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:19,050
Milky Way and there's an estimated 50

992
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:23,310
million planets that can sustain life so

993
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:25,170
what are those 50 million planets if

994
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,020
just one of those planets had the

995
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:29,760
building blocks of life and started in

996
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:31,770
evolution started developing let's say a

997
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,810
half a million years prior to when

998
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,480
evolution started on earth that would

999
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,640
mean there would be a civilization that

1000
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,619
has been doing science and has been

1001
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:43,200
technological for 1/2 a million years

1002
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,240
more than planet Earth so zombie I so I

1003
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:50,880
don't see ok potentially so I don't see

1004
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:55,730
why we should doubt the potentiality for

1005
00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:57,420
civilizations that's been around for

1006
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,710
hundreds of thousands of years longer

1007
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,960
than us to do things that don't make

1008
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:03,000
sense to our current understanding of

1009
00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:04,619
physics so I don't really see that as a

1010
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:08,070
big obstacle the way that you do well

1011
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:09,570
have you done the math though like when

1012
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,950
you say like you think it's probable

1013
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,200
have you actually a worked out of

1014
00:39:18,910 --> 00:39:15,300
probability would you say oh how often

1015
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:18,920
would you expect aliens to visit earth

1016
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:23,760
well that's what I mean I did I go off

1017
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:26,280
the data I mean there's there's a UFO

1018
00:39:31,070 --> 00:39:28,050
historical record that goes back 72

1019
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:31,080
years and and I and and I do believe the

1020
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:32,160
radar data is out there they don't

1021
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:33,750
release the radar data obviously but I

1022
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:35,089
believe it's out there you know flavor

1023
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:38,460
interestingly when he was at a some

1024
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:41,310
event with Korbel Jeremy Korbel and

1025
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:43,410
George Knapp he said that when he saw

1026
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,150
the radar tape that was on a Chad

1027
00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:47,760
Underwood's plane that he remembers it

1028
00:39:52,070 --> 00:39:49,800
the way that people remember where they

1029
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:52,080
were on on 9/11 because it was

1030
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,750
interesting that there's a lot of people

1031
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,460
a lot of people remember that

1032
00:40:00,560 --> 00:39:58,980
incorrectly we need ways

1033
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:00,570
is a classic case in false memory

1034
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,970
syndrome and if you ask people where

1035
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,760
they were on 9/11 a good percentage of

1036
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:07,440
them I think at least 10% of them will

1037
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,500
actually miss remember it and that they

1038
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,000
actually have done studies in this and

1039
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:13,440
you can actually go back and I say where

1040
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,450
were you on 9/11 I remember it as clear

1041
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:17,280
as day I was watching it on TV or you

1042
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:18,690
know that people will say things like

1043
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,910
you know if people say things like even

1044
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,440
like I saw the first plane here the

1045
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:24,720
tower on TV when it was never on TV

1046
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:27,720
because they think they remember it but

1047
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,910
you people's people same thing that I

1048
00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:31,440
remember things like 9/11 there actually

1049
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:33,000
I've kind of a red flag

1050
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:35,190
yes something is burned in your memory

1051
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:37,410
and doesn't mean that you remember it

1052
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:38,730
really well it means that you've you've

1053
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:41,250
kind of gone over it and you've we we

1054
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:42,900
remembered it and cemented it and

1055
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:44,940
perhaps added new memories to it it's a

1056
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,670
real thing okay well anything's possible

1057
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:48,960
I'm not saying it's not possibly

1058
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:50,910
misremembered it but I wouldn't place my

1059
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:54,570
bet there if it was me but I want to you

1060
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,850
asked Ian in an interview before Nick

1061
00:41:00,260 --> 00:40:58,500
Pope an interesting question you said

1062
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:00,270
have you ever seen a UFO so I'd like to

1063
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:02,609
answer that question I have never seen a

1064
00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:06,060
UFO but I will say this I've seen I've

1065
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:08,190
had two instances where I saw an objects

1066
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:09,900
that I thought might have been a UFO one

1067
00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:12,180
was it was very bright but then I

1068
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:13,830
thought about it for a little bit I did

1069
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:14,820
a little research and I'm like nope

1070
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:16,170
that's Venus it's just I was surprised

1071
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,270
how bright it was but a Venus another

1072
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:20,760
one was out on the beach walking at

1073
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:23,190
night and I saw what looked like three

1074
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,710
red lights forming a triangle so a red

1075
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:27,240
light at each apex of the of the

1076
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,850
triangle and I thought about and I said

1077
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:31,500
wait a minute now I don't think it's a

1078
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:34,200
triangle because it could just be lights

1079
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,990
position on an airplane where it appears

1080
00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:38,760
triangular but there's nothing really

1081
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:40,080
beyond that and the reason I bring this

1082
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,530
up is because I think skeptics overplay

1083
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:47,280
their hand when it comes to their

1084
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:49,710
estimation of how fallible human beings

1085
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,650
can be in relay asau because I don't

1086
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:54,720
think the fal ability of human beings is

1087
00:41:59,570 --> 00:41:56,820
infinite I actually think there is a

1088
00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:59,580
fight there's it's finite so yeah if you

1089
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:00,840
get a hundred people who say they saw a

1090
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:02,310
UFO certain percentage of them are gonna

1091
00:42:05,180 --> 00:42:03,660
be lying a certain percentage of them

1092
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:05,190
are going to be making things up certain

1093
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:06,270
percentage of them are going to have a

1094
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:09,150
predilection to fantasy but I think even

1095
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:10,500
just scientifically if they were to

1096
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:12,359
somehow I'm not a scientist but if you

1097
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:12,780
were to set

1098
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,510
experiment to determine how good people

1099
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:17,280
are at remembering how good people are

1100
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:19,320
at deciphering what they see

1101
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:20,820
I actually think science would be in my

1102
00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:22,500
favors the reason I bring this up is

1103
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:24,500
because I don't feel like on this

1104
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:27,330
amazingly astute person because I look

1105
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:29,820
up in the sky all the time and I've

1106
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,670
never been tricked I've never been

1107
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:34,980
deceived I've never had a fantasy or any

1108
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,110
of that so I'm thinking myself why am I

1109
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:38,760
so much better than all these people

1110
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:43,110
that goes back over the 72 years and I

1111
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,760
don't have all these stories and even if

1112
00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:47,280
I were to think I saw a UFO it would so

1113
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:50,100
be so mundane because the really

1114
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:51,900
interesting UFO stories like like the

1115
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:53,370
Belgium wave and I think happened in the

1116
00:42:58,610 --> 00:42:56,700
late 80s which which is one of the

1117
00:43:02,090 --> 00:42:58,620
things that they say they saw it it's

1118
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:02,100
it's like a pattern they all multiple it

1119
00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:03,570
was like 2,000 witnesses that came

1120
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:06,030
forward and they all most of them say

1121
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:07,170
they saw the same thing which is a

1122
00:43:11,810 --> 00:43:09,150
triangle with three spotlights at the

1123
00:43:13,610 --> 00:43:11,820
apex of the triangle and a bright red

1124
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:13,620
light in the center and even sometimes

1125
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:15,450
the bright LED red light would descend

1126
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:17,370
from the triangle do some things come

1127
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:19,170
back and return to the triangle there's

1128
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:21,150
one incident where there were two police

1129
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:23,250
officers they saw a triangle and the

1130
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,630
spotlights on the triangle were so

1131
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:25,980
bright in the min the middle of the

1132
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:27,300
night that they could read a newspaper

1133
00:43:31,610 --> 00:43:29,400
and I'm just thinking to myself how are

1134
00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:31,620
how are so many people getting these

1135
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:35,340
having these unambiguous relays of

1136
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,290
information about what they saw sure I

1137
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:39,300
woke up with this style the time and

1138
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:40,830
I've never even seen anything even

1139
00:43:46,220 --> 00:43:44,370
remotely capturing anything even 1/10 is

1140
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:46,230
interesting is that right well I mean

1141
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:47,850
you probably haven't seen a ghost either

1142
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:49,790
[Music]

1143
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:52,650
no no I never but there's lots of people

1144
00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:55,500
who have and they give very good

1145
00:43:58,580 --> 00:43:56,790
accounts of them and they're often very

1146
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:58,590
very similar like people will describe

1147
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:00,180
things that are very very similar like

1148
00:44:03,830 --> 00:44:01,530
thing is a ghost appearing in the

1149
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,840
bedroom as the falling asleep or you

1150
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:05,040
know the ghost being of a dead person

1151
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:07,710
that they knew once and so if you think

1152
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:09,240
that all these people are seeing ghosts

1153
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,490
you know is that the same type of thing

1154
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:13,680
as the the UFO thing because we've got

1155
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:16,110
all these eyewitnesses like oh it's all

1156
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,060
say angels we have lots of people saying

1157
00:44:22,070 --> 00:44:19,440
that they had an encounter with an angel

1158
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:22,080
is that at the same standard of evidence

1159
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:24,090
because lots and lots of people give the

1160
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:28,020
same story does that mean it's the same

1161
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:29,640
IIIi would make a distinction between

1162
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,990
the two just because you know they don't

1163
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:33,420
have ghosts aren't picked up on radar I

1164
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,370
don't hear radar operators talking about

1165
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:38,160
ghosts I don't hear I don't hear Top Gun

1166
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,440
highlights or intercepts ghosts well

1167
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:42,480
maybe some of the UFOs are actually

1168
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,330
ghosts but I don't rule out ghosts I

1169
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,680
mean we don't know that much about our

1170
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:51,000
universe right I mean you said it

1171
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:52,410
yourself I think in a past interview

1172
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:53,730
said that our civilization

1173
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:56,310
technologically is only only a hundred

1174
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:00,180
years what if what if we we develop

1175
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,910
better better technology where we can

1176
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,380
pick up things that we thought at one

1177
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:06,900
point never existed I mean who knows but

1178
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:08,430
my point is like we don't have any

1179
00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:10,650
evidence whatsoever the ghost exists but

1180
00:45:16,070 --> 00:45:12,750
we do have all these like ghost photos

1181
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:16,080
and we have we have all these eyewitness

1182
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:19,470
accounts and beyond but a lot of people

1183
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:21,420
will say that you know UFOs are real but

1184
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:23,670
ghosts such as silly nonsense are you

1185
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:25,020
putting them on the same level here you

1186
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:27,060
think that the likelihood of ghosts is

1187
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:29,070
the same as that likelihood of alien

1188
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,790
visitors objectively no I can't do that

1189
00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:35,400
because with with ghosts as far as I

1190
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:38,580
know the primary medium of evidence is

1191
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,550
witness testimony where where with with

1192
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:43,560
UFOs there's plenty of stories where

1193
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:45,300
radar picked these objects up there's

1194
00:45:49,070 --> 00:45:46,980
even there stories of ground tracing

1195
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:49,080
ground traces like in the Rendlesham

1196
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:52,440
forest incident that's highly

1197
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:54,060
corroborated there's a lot of documents

1198
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:55,230
covering it I think there were ground

1199
00:46:00,200 --> 00:45:58,530
traces where the the vehicle landed so

1200
00:46:01,790 --> 00:46:00,210
no I don't think I think there's a I

1201
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:01,800
think there's a big distinction between

1202
00:46:08,660 --> 00:46:05,730
ghosts and and UFOs and also not only

1203
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,670
that but I mean ghost suggests that that

1204
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:11,520
consciousness survives death now my

1205
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:13,140
personal beliefs are relevance one asks

1206
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,000
asks the question what evidence do we

1207
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:17,280
have that that consciousness survives

1208
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:19,770
death probably not that overly

1209
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:21,300
compelling there might be some but

1210
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:22,920
probably not that overly compelling but

1211
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:24,750
we know that human beings exist on this

1212
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:26,670
planet and we know that evolution is

1213
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:28,680
real so it's really not a fair

1214
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:30,690
comparison because we can extrapolate

1215
00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:33,030
from our existence here from everything

1216
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:34,350
we see and say well maybe it exists on

1217
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:36,270
other planets and therefore there are

1218
00:46:39,259 --> 00:46:37,530
other entities from other planets

1219
00:46:40,909 --> 00:46:39,269
visiting us so it's it's I would

1220
00:46:43,009 --> 00:46:40,919
it's not even on the same in the same

1221
00:46:44,659 --> 00:46:43,019
ballpark my dear we have an abstract

1222
00:46:46,279 --> 00:46:44,669
discussion but I mean I think when you

1223
00:46:47,539 --> 00:46:46,289
bring up evidence like you got to say

1224
00:46:50,059 --> 00:46:47,549
like other other things that have

1225
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,069
similar similar levels of evidence but

1226
00:46:53,989 --> 00:46:52,079
but yeah now you could you could

1227
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:53,999
definitely argue that there's

1228
00:46:58,939 --> 00:46:57,209
possibility of life out there whereas if

1229
00:47:00,409 --> 00:46:58,949
you look at science I suppose there

1230
00:47:01,759 --> 00:47:00,419
isn't a possibility of life after death

1231
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:01,769
but then some people would argue that

1232
00:47:05,989 --> 00:47:03,689
there is a possibility scientific so

1233
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,999
yeah who knows our science isn't very

1234
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:07,619
young pants so maybe the house you said

1235
00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:09,689
that maybe will discover a future these

1236
00:47:13,579 --> 00:47:11,819
ghosts yeah that's a compelling argument

1237
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,589
I want to get I want to get I want to

1238
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:15,119
get your point on that so you don't

1239
00:47:19,249 --> 00:47:16,169
think it's a compelling argument for

1240
00:47:21,169 --> 00:47:19,259
like a vehicle that has no sound of

1241
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,179
sonic boom you travels at obscene speeds

1242
00:47:24,949 --> 00:47:22,319
you don't think it's a compelling

1243
00:47:26,659 --> 00:47:24,959
argument that that there is a very

1244
00:47:28,819 --> 00:47:26,669
plausible possibility that a

1245
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:28,829
civilization that's tens of thousands of

1246
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:30,390
years ahead of us figured out a way to

1247
00:47:33,409 --> 00:47:31,859
travel at high rates of speed without a

1248
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:33,419
sound the sonic boom you don't think

1249
00:47:36,979 --> 00:47:35,249
that's a very important because far more

1250
00:47:40,399 --> 00:47:36,989
likely but humans actually I figured it

1251
00:47:41,389 --> 00:47:40,409
out because we know humans exist and

1252
00:47:43,429 --> 00:47:41,399
that they they didn't they have

1253
00:47:44,839 --> 00:47:43,439
technology and they're always trying to

1254
00:47:46,279 --> 00:47:44,849
advance technology and you know going

1255
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:46,289
very very fast is something they want to

1256
00:47:51,799 --> 00:47:48,649
do so maybe they discover some kind of

1257
00:47:53,209 --> 00:47:51,809
you know atmosphere warping device then

1258
00:47:56,899 --> 00:47:53,219
that would be something that people

1259
00:47:58,579 --> 00:47:56,909
would do but alien visitors you made

1260
00:48:00,620 --> 00:47:58,589
sure if alien visitors were here then

1261
00:48:02,089 --> 00:48:00,630
yeah that would be something that they

1262
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:02,099
they would have for perhaps a

1263
00:48:06,049 --> 00:48:04,529
fast-moving craft but the yeah the the

1264
00:48:08,269 --> 00:48:06,059
idea that alien visitors are here

1265
00:48:11,289 --> 00:48:08,279
doesn't doesn't mean doesn't doesn't

1266
00:48:14,029 --> 00:48:11,299
really seem to have any evidence to me

1267
00:48:16,459 --> 00:48:14,039
okay well sure put it let's put it all

1268
00:48:18,409 --> 00:48:16,469
put all on the table and see what

1269
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:18,419
happens I mean if you're wrong I'll be

1270
00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:20,249
the first one to say you know what my

1271
00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:22,589
analysis stunk in Mick was right and I'm

1272
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:23,819
totally fine with that

1273
00:48:28,789 --> 00:48:26,339
well I'm sure should we both have valid

1274
00:48:30,949 --> 00:48:28,799
points and me obviously like my my

1275
00:48:32,839 --> 00:48:30,959
explanations of what freitas or a very

1276
00:48:37,489 --> 00:48:32,849
piecemeal and somewhat ridiculous

1277
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:37,499
perhaps I also think that his his story

1278
00:48:41,899 --> 00:48:39,569
isn't quite as solid as as you may care

1279
00:48:44,419 --> 00:48:41,909
well let me put this way I asked myself

1280
00:48:46,099 --> 00:48:44,429
in like neither of us have a

1281
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:46,109
mathematical equation to prove our point

1282
00:48:48,499 --> 00:48:47,369
so we're really just making judgment

1283
00:48:49,789 --> 00:48:48,509
calls if we're being honest and if you

1284
00:48:51,259 --> 00:48:49,799
disagree with that tell me tell me how

1285
00:48:52,730 --> 00:48:51,269
you how you come to your conclusion I'd

1286
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,740
be very interested in hearing it

1287
00:48:56,359 --> 00:48:54,720
but ultimately we are literally just

1288
00:48:58,339 --> 00:48:56,369
making judgment calls so you look at the

1289
00:49:00,500 --> 00:48:58,349
what happened in favor and you say yeah

1290
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:00,510
it's very unlikely that he actually saw

1291
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:02,609
something that wasn't prosaic I look at

1292
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:03,960
it and say no I think it's likely they

1293
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:06,119
saw something wasn't prosaic there's no

1294
00:49:10,339 --> 00:49:08,190
mathematical equations being thrown into

1295
00:49:13,339 --> 00:49:10,349
into this conversation you are literally

1296
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:13,349
just asserting your opinion and there's

1297
00:49:17,420 --> 00:49:15,480
no equations there's no science there's

1298
00:49:19,579 --> 00:49:17,430
no nothing it's just you're here and up

1299
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:19,589
and I'm doing the same so it's like you

1300
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:20,820
know that's the best we can do right now

1301
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,320
I guess I mean I don't think your

1302
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:24,240
analysis is good but maybe you're right

1303
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:25,650
maybe I'm wrong and I'm totally ok with

1304
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:25,920
that

1305
00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:27,810
especially could like throw some numbers

1306
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:29,550
out there like we do actually know that

1307
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,230
people make mistakes all the time and

1308
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:32,880
people make up stories all the time and

1309
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:34,140
people have false memories all the time

1310
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,810
and so we know that that happens

1311
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:37,980
literally millions of times if not

1312
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,810
billions of times a year to some degree

1313
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:42,000
and we know that combinations of things

1314
00:49:45,859 --> 00:49:44,099
happen and I'm located in these

1315
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:45,869
combinations of things line up so we

1316
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:47,400
know occasionally there's going to be

1317
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:49,500
this situation where two people think

1318
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,060
they saw the same thing even though they

1319
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:53,760
didn't that will inevitably happen at

1320
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:55,410
some point and perhaps it happens all

1321
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:55,800
the time

1322
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,200
I think that's something we could say

1323
00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,480
they the law of large numbers means that

1324
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:02,339
extraordinary things eventually happened

1325
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:05,310
maybe this was just an extraordinary set

1326
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:07,380
of coincidences because this is just the

1327
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:10,920
one really good example that we have it

1328
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:15,089
seems very unlikely because it was very

1329
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:17,910
unlikely that you know he would happen

1330
00:50:22,099 --> 00:50:20,430
to his line of sight would fall on this

1331
00:50:24,859 --> 00:50:22,109
particularly large seagull and then a

1332
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:24,869
reflection in his canopy sure seen it

1333
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:26,910
sounds ridiculous but ridiculous things

1334
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:28,859
happen somebody wins the lottery every

1335
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:30,180
year there's lots of lotteries every

1336
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:31,890
year and someone you know gets these

1337
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:33,960
hundred million to one odds and they

1338
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:36,599
actually win it so extraordinary things

1339
00:50:40,579 --> 00:50:39,330
are bound to happen all the time this

1340
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:40,589
might have been just one of the more

1341
00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:42,810
extraordinary went well I'll just say

1342
00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:45,030
this if ridiculous and extraordinary

1343
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:46,080
things happen all the time it's

1344
00:50:51,260 --> 00:50:48,990
interesting how they have the this

1345
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:51,270
manifestation happens to love UFOs

1346
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,730
because it seems to happen all the time

1347
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:56,640
with witness testimony UFOs on I'm kind

1348
00:51:00,859 --> 00:50:57,900
of surprised that people aren't seeing

1349
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:00,869
you know monsters and and all kinds

1350
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:03,900
their foot weird creatures sure Bigfoot

1351
00:51:08,660 --> 00:51:06,599
but Bigfoot's like okay you know not

1352
00:51:11,029 --> 00:51:08,670
UFOs are seen I would say much more

1353
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:11,039
often than just how you have you check

1354
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:12,119
that because I mean there's quite a few

1355
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:13,859
reports of Bigfoot this Bigfoot there's

1356
00:51:18,799 --> 00:51:16,200
Bigfoot sightings in every state in the

1357
00:51:20,479 --> 00:51:18,809
country including Florida every single

1358
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:20,489
state has a Bigfoot sighting so it's not

1359
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:21,930
it's not like just like there's a couple

1360
00:51:26,839 --> 00:51:24,089
of a couple of guys it's actually a lot

1361
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:26,849
of lots of Bigfoot sightings and I'm

1362
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,470
sure I don't know I don't what the

1363
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:30,960
actual numbers are but a lot of people

1364
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:32,220
will laugh a Bigfoot and say there's no

1365
00:51:36,229 --> 00:51:34,680
evidence but desorb there's also tens of

1366
00:51:38,839 --> 00:51:36,239
thousands of sightings a Bigfoot so I

1367
00:51:41,029 --> 00:51:38,849
want to ask you this mix so if if it

1368
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:41,039
comes a point where where the US

1369
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:42,839
government and other governments start

1370
00:51:46,339 --> 00:51:44,729
releasing so much data that we know

1371
00:51:48,289 --> 00:51:46,349
there's no longer a debate about UFOs

1372
00:51:50,989 --> 00:51:48,299
that they they're under intelligent

1373
00:51:53,509 --> 00:51:50,999
control they're not from any military

1374
00:51:55,489 --> 00:51:53,519
inventory in the world and and that's

1375
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:55,499
proven and to your to your satisfaction

1376
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,440
will you re-evaluate witness testimony

1377
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:01,079
when it comes to UFOs and in the past in

1378
00:52:04,969 --> 00:52:02,460
other words will you look at the

1379
00:52:08,529 --> 00:52:04,979
historical record about seventy years

1380
00:52:11,479 --> 00:52:08,539
and start to see and start to maybe

1381
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,489
assess witnessed corroborated not just

1382
00:52:16,759 --> 00:52:13,680
one guy who has a divorce and drink too

1383
00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:16,769
many beers but corroborate witness

1384
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,390
testimony will you assess it differently

1385
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,880
in light of government's giving you

1386
00:52:24,529 --> 00:52:22,200
enough evidence so that now you know

1387
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:24,539
whoa UFOs are real yeah I think what you

1388
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:26,130
do then is you would look to see those

1389
00:52:31,729 --> 00:52:30,059
individual cases of regulations and see

1390
00:52:32,749 --> 00:52:31,739
does that match what the information

1391
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:32,759
that we have now

1392
00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:34,529
like if the government says that yeah oh

1393
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,900
yes we admit that there are you know

1394
00:52:42,459 --> 00:52:39,119
whatever later craft that can move at

1395
00:52:46,789 --> 00:52:42,469
Mach 10 or 200 GS or something like that

1396
00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:46,799
does that information corroborates you

1397
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:49,559
know whatever these people are talking

1398
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:51,059
about like if people I witnesses are

1399
00:52:55,999 --> 00:52:53,609
saying yet I saw this thing move it yeah

1400
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:56,009
a thousand miles an hour or whatever and

1401
00:53:02,719 --> 00:52:58,170
then oh yeah these things were batch so

1402
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:02,729
perhaps so if the US government showed

1403
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,200
like like one of the crafts these

1404
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:05,940
extraterrestrial uses it used were like

1405
00:53:09,739 --> 00:53:08,339
triangles with three spotlights in a red

1406
00:53:11,479 --> 00:53:09,749
light in the center that would be great

1407
00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:11,489
then what you heard when you heard other

1408
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:13,859
witnesses going back 72 years relaying

1409
00:53:18,049 --> 00:53:16,529
that same architecture then you would

1410
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:18,059
give more credibility to that if you

1411
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:19,850
knew if you knew that that

1412
00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:20,570
was one of the vehicles

1413
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:22,040
extraterrestrials work do you agree with

1414
00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:24,170
that yeah sure I think that particular

1415
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:25,670
thing they are the triangles with the

1416
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:27,410
red light in the middle that's it's very

1417
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:30,310
like a plane I mean you must admit that

1418
00:53:36,250 --> 00:53:34,010
it's a common configuration that planes

1419
00:53:37,690 --> 00:53:36,260
will have some kind of triangle of

1420
00:53:39,070 --> 00:53:37,700
lights and they have a red one in the

1421
00:53:40,810 --> 00:53:39,080
middle and you see you see it all the

1422
00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:40,820
time I'm sure you've seen it generally

1423
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:44,300
they look small in this guy but I would

1424
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:45,650
be on board with you if there wasn't so

1425
00:53:48,490 --> 00:53:47,030
many incidents where it was highly

1426
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:48,500
corroborated and everyone police

1427
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:50,870
officers and people that are credible

1428
00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:52,730
are all seeing the same thing if that

1429
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:54,440
wasn't part of the equation I'd be on

1430
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,490
board with you and you like you know

1431
00:53:59,320 --> 00:53:56,960
these are one-offs I would be on board

1432
00:54:00,910 --> 00:53:59,330
with you if there were some say what

1433
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:00,920
time lapse photographs why don't people

1434
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:02,810
take you know it's difficult to take a

1435
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,520
photograph of the sky but if there's

1436
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:07,040
something moving there's got like three

1437
00:54:09,970 --> 00:54:08,750
white lights and one red light and you

1438
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:09,980
know you could do is take a long

1439
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:12,710
exposure and you would get three three

1440
00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:16,400
red three whites and one red streaks

1441
00:54:19,870 --> 00:54:18,320
across the sky it seems like if there's

1442
00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:19,880
all these thousands of sightings are the

1443
00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:22,220
same thing by now someone would have

1444
00:54:28,270 --> 00:54:25,100
taken at least a shaky photograph I

1445
00:54:30,460 --> 00:54:28,280
suppose there are maybe they had looked

1446
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:30,470
at it and said no this is not just in

1447
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:32,390
the same way that they look at the the

1448
00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:34,070
floor one video maybe they they just

1449
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:36,320
have the same sort of assessment oh no

1450
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:38,090
this is this is not a real photo it I'll

1451
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:39,770
tell you why why see now I would say

1452
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:42,440
this if it gets here's another question

1453
00:54:47,350 --> 00:54:45,530
after you make if it gets proven to your

1454
00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:47,360
satisfaction and it just becomes the

1455
00:54:53,740 --> 00:54:49,220
consensus of rational people everywhere

1456
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:53,750
that that the object that was videotaped

1457
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:56,390
with the floor one video and the object

1458
00:55:02,020 --> 00:54:57,770
that was videotaped with the gimbal

1459
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,030
video those are unidentified and and not

1460
00:55:05,980 --> 00:55:03,920
from any military inventory venturi in

1461
00:55:09,970 --> 00:55:05,990
the world that becomes a consensus will

1462
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:09,980
you will you reassess maybe that you you

1463
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:12,650
you in this and let me put this way will

1464
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:14,810
you conclude that in the same way you

1465
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:16,610
say that all these witnesses you know

1466
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:19,690
like people win the lottery and in in in

1467
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:21,410
ridiculous things happen all the time

1468
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:23,450
maybe could it be that another

1469
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:25,370
ridiculous thing that happened was that

1470
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:27,770
you are convinced by looking at the

1471
00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:29,630
three videos I was released by the Navy

1472
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:33,080
and yet even with all of your arguments

1473
00:55:35,710 --> 00:55:33,410
that

1474
00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:35,720
from your standpoint or compelling they

1475
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:37,990
actually ended up not really being

1476
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:40,490
relevant to the truth will you make that

1477
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:43,730
realization if that happens I'm not sure

1478
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,210
I fully your logics so in other words in

1479
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:49,520
other words if if the gimbal video in

1480
00:55:55,090 --> 00:55:51,020
the floor one video end up getting

1481
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:55,100
proven to display something that's not

1482
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:56,480
coming from any military mandatory in

1483
00:56:00,850 --> 00:55:58,850
the world it may be extraterrestrial if

1484
00:56:03,870 --> 00:56:00,860
that gets proven will you reassess your

1485
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:03,880
capabilities at analyzing video data uh

1486
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,740
sure I'm always doing that and yeah I

1487
00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:08,240
think it would actually depend on how it

1488
00:56:14,830 --> 00:56:10,220
was proven because if it's proven in a

1489
00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:14,840
way that shows that I was wrong

1490
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:16,550
yeah I would be very very interested in

1491
00:56:20,050 --> 00:56:18,680
that and so I would obviously have to

1492
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:20,060
figure out what I did wrong you know my

1493
00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:21,710
background is I'm a game programmer and

1494
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:24,200
game programmers spend a lot of time if

1495
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:25,490
not like more than half the time

1496
00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:27,890
debugging their games so yelling the

1497
00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:29,540
game like he and the guy like walk

1498
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:30,860
through a wall or something and you have

1499
00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:33,890
to figure out why that happened so my

1500
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:36,260
brain has been hardwired over the last

1501
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:39,800
thirty years to figure out why something

1502
00:56:42,850 --> 00:56:41,750
happened and so that's you know why I'm

1503
00:56:44,770 --> 00:56:42,860
really interested in looking at these

1504
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:44,780
UFO videos and figuring out what's going

1505
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:47,150
on and if someone was to say you know

1506
00:56:51,490 --> 00:56:49,580
now we have proof but generally accepted

1507
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:51,500
that you know this gimbal video actually

1508
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:55,190
shows a flying saucer on its side then I

1509
00:56:58,270 --> 00:56:56,480
would be like well show me their self

1510
00:56:59,560 --> 00:56:58,280
when I want to see what this is and yeah

1511
00:57:02,320 --> 00:56:59,570
and yeah I would be really really

1512
00:57:03,490 --> 00:57:02,330
interested in figuring out you know what

1513
00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:03,500
it actually was and hearing more

1514
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:05,750
evidence and I but and I believe that

1515
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:07,550
cuz I do think you're pursuing the truth

1516
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:10,430
I think you're pursuing the truth the

1517
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:12,170
best you can like I said if you end up

1518
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:13,010
being right and I'm wrong

1519
00:57:17,650 --> 00:57:15,950
great I'll I'll love I'll buy you dinner

1520
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:17,660
we shall see which is he don't we do we

1521
00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:20,960
have a bet on yes we do you have a bet

1522
00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:25,700
the bet is that I bet at you was that it

1523
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:26,990
was a while ago so I think it's like

1524
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:29,210
three three-month three years and maybe

1525
00:57:35,350 --> 00:57:33,200
one month remaining I bet at you that

1526
00:57:39,610 --> 00:57:35,360
there would be a head of state either

1527
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:39,620
from from I don't know what we g8 and

1528
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:43,490
China Russia and Russia yes yeah that

1529
00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:45,970
that a head of state would state that

1530
00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:47,060
some

1531
00:57:52,660 --> 00:57:49,880
the effect of UFOs are real I will it's

1532
00:57:54,730 --> 00:57:52,670
on Twitter I don't remember the exact to

1533
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:54,740
it I put it on my calendar my Google

1534
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:56,330
Calendar for five years in the future

1535
00:58:02,620 --> 00:57:59,690
and so I think it's gross we'll see

1536
00:58:04,930 --> 00:58:02,630
we'll see what happens okay oh yeah but

1537
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:04,940
you know I think you know it's got to be

1538
00:58:09,850 --> 00:58:06,490
something more than just simply saying

1539
00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:09,860
this video is real type type real it's

1540
00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:10,940
going to be actually you know like you

1541
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:12,350
were saying earlier there's real

1542
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:16,010
evidence that it's that it's a it's not

1543
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:17,660
human or whatever I'm not not normal

1544
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:21,470
technology right all right all right

1545
00:58:27,070 --> 00:58:24,890
well this has been interesting sure yeah

1546
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:27,080
yeah I want to make a prophecy if you

1547
00:58:34,750 --> 00:58:28,670
don't mind no that's definitely that's

1548
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:34,760
why my sakes powers my name is UFO Jesus

1549
00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:36,770
and I have a six-part prophecy Oh

1550
00:58:40,030 --> 00:58:38,870
number one we will have disclosure

1551
00:58:44,170 --> 00:58:40,040
within six years

1552
00:58:47,230 --> 00:58:44,180
number two within the with the next

1553
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:47,240
couple years new UFO programs will come

1554
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:49,160
to light and it will be established that

1555
00:58:53,350 --> 00:58:52,010
a tip was not the first UFO program or

1556
00:58:55,570 --> 00:58:53,360
it was not the only UFO program within

1557
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:55,580
United States government and that these

1558
00:59:00,520 --> 00:58:57,890
new UFO program our programs were much

1559
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:00,530
more well-funded than a tip number three

1560
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:03,530
more evidence will be released that

1561
00:59:08,860 --> 00:59:05,810
increases the odds that some UFOs are

1562
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:08,870
not from here and number four there will

1563
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:10,430
be an escalation in the media that's

1564
00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:13,370
going to continue with UFOs meandering

1565
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:14,900
into the mainstream so this is not going

1566
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:16,970
to fizzle out UFOs are going to be going

1567
00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:18,710
to be so the president has been briefed

1568
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:20,180
the Navy has admitted UFOs are real

1569
00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:22,130
Congress has been briefed that's only

1570
00:59:25,110 --> 00:59:23,420
the beginning it's going to continue to

1571
00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:25,120
escalate into the coming years

1572
00:59:29,650 --> 00:59:27,320
number five many books will be written

1573
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:29,660
about how skeptics and scientists

1574
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:32,150
approached the UFO issue had a lot to be

1575
00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:33,890
desired and I'm putting that nicely and

1576
00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:37,160
number five and number six disclosure

1577
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:38,420
will lead to many scientific

1578
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:39,500
breakthroughs that will significantly

1579
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:42,680
help humankind that's those are my six

1580
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,810
prophecies on Mick West's amazing

1581
00:59:48,490 --> 00:59:46,880
podcast and I just wanted to put that

1582
00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:48,500
out there thank you very much no that's

1583
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:48,920
great

1584
00:59:55,690 --> 00:59:50,990
I'm scratch finish that exactly on one

1585
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:55,700
hour I must admit to being a bit of a

1586
00:59:59,770 --> 00:59:57,710
doubting Thomas when it comes to your

1587
01:00:01,180 --> 00:59:59,780
your professors but of course what is

1588
01:00:02,620 --> 01:00:01,190
okay I want to get this what's the like

1589
01:00:06,579 --> 01:00:02,630
hood that any of my prophecies will come

1590
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:06,589
to pass I would I would put a lot of

1591
01:00:13,420 --> 01:00:11,359
money against it I think perhaps one of

1592
01:00:16,359 --> 01:00:13,430
the one with the more UFO programs

1593
01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:16,369
that's entirely plausible because

1594
01:00:20,859 --> 01:00:18,800
obviously the Navy wants to figure out

1595
01:00:22,030 --> 01:00:20,869
what these UFOs are if there are you

1596
01:00:25,150 --> 01:00:22,040
know things are going into their

1597
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:25,160
airspace and there's a problem so you

1598
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,930
know at least one of your prophecies

1599
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:28,640
will come true I think okay

1600
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:32,690
all right not all of them I would I

1601
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:35,050
would bet gonna know 100 to 1 against

1602
01:00:41,710 --> 01:00:39,440
okay okay all right well thank you very

1603
01:00:45,550 --> 01:00:41,720
much is that like people can see you on

1604
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:45,560
YouTube yes yeah just look for a UFO

1605
01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:47,930
Jesus or post disclosure world even do a

1606
01:00:50,650 --> 01:00:49,190
search on YouTube for either of them and

1607
01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:50,660
I'll pop up and I thank you for

1608
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:52,790
subscribing to my channel alright great

1609
01:00:57,130 --> 01:00:54,530
well thank you very much it's been very

1610
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:57,140
interesting discussion thanks a lot Nick